Re : Je kunt ze niet helemaal vergelijken,

Bericht van: Ben (Lelystad) , 26-08-2006 21:31 

Weten we al waarom het op Mars opwarmt? Weten we of die oorzaak al dan niet op aarde geldig is?

Wat betreft Mars, lees onderstaande tekst.

Recently, there have been some suggestions that "global warming" has been observed on Mars (e.g. here). These are based on observations of regional change around the South Polar Cap, but seem to have been extended into a "global" change, and used by some to infer an external common mechanism for global warming on Earth and Mars (e.g. here and here). But this is incorrect reasoning and based on faulty understanding of the data.


A couple of basic issues first : the Martian year is about 2 Earth years (687 days). Currently it is late winter in Mars's northern hemisphere, so late summer in the southern hemisphere. Martian eccentricity is about 0.1 - over 5 times larger than Earth's, so the insolation (INcoming SOLar radiATION) variation over the orbit is substantial, and contributes significantly more to seasonality than on the Earth, although Mars's obliquity (the angle of its spin axis to the orbital plane) still dominates the seasons. The alignment of obliquity and eccentricity due to precession is a much stronger effect than for the Earth, leading to "great" summers and winters on time scales of tens of thousands of years (the precessional period is 170,000 years). Since Mars has no oceans and a thin atmosphere, the thermal inertia is low, and Martian climate is easily perturbed by external influences, including solar variations. However, solar irradiance is now well measured by satellite and has been declining slightly over the last few years as it moves towards a solar minimum.

So what is causing Martian climate change now? Mars has a relatively well studied climate, going back to measurements made by Viking, and continued with the current series of orbiters, such as the Mars Global Surveyor. Complementing the measurements, NASA has a Mars General Circulation Model (GCM) based at NASA Ames. (NB. There is a good "general reader" review of modeling the Martian atmosphere by Stephen R Lewis in Astronomy and Geophysics, volume 44 issue 4. pages 6-14.)

Globally, the mean temperature of the Martian atmosphere is particularly sensitive to the strength and duration of hemispheric dust storms, (see for example here and here). Large scale dust storms change the atmospheric opacity and convection; as always when comparing mean temperatures, the altitude at which the measurement is made matters, but to the extent it is sensible to speak of a mean temperature for Mars, the evidence is for significant cooling from the 1970's, when Viking made measurements, compared to current temperatures. However, this is essentially due to large scale dust storms that were common back then, compared to a lower level of storminess now. The mean temperature on Mars, averaged over the Martian year can change by many degrees from year to year, depending on how active large scale dust storms are.

In 2001, Malin et al published a short article in Science (subscription required) discussing MGS data showing a rapid shrinkage of the South Polar Cap. Recently, the MGS team had a press release discussing more recent data showing the trend had continued. MGS 2001 press release MGS 2005 press release. The shrinkage of the Martian South Polar Cap is almost certainly a regional climate change, and is not any indication of global warming trends in the Martian atmosphere. Colaprete et al in Nature 2005 (subscription required) showed, using the Mars GCM, that the south polar climate is unstable due to the peculiar topography near the pole, and the current configuration is on the instability border; we therefore expect to see rapid changes in ice cover as the regional climate transits between the unstable states.

Thus inferring global warming from a 3 Martian year regional trend is unwarranted. The observed regional changes in south polar ice cover are almost certainly due to a regional climate transition, not a global phenomenon, and are demonstrably unrelated to external forcing. There is a slight irony in people rushing to claim that the glacier changes on Mars are a sure sign of global warming, while not being swayed by the much more persuasive analogous phenomena here on Earth...

Gr. Ben

http://www.realclimate.org/index.php/archives/2005/10/global-warming-on-mars/
Bericht laatst bijgewerkt: 26-08-2006 21:32

Ruimteweer: De nieuwe zonnecyclus is begonnen (cycle24)   ( 320)
Ruben (Neeroeteren) -- 26-08-2006 17:30
Da's goed nieuws Ruben   ( 134)
Peter (NO Brabant) -- 26-08-2006 17:51
Nog actiever?   ( 159)
Remko (Usquert gem. Eemsmond) -- 26-08-2006 17:57
Op basis waarvan koppel jij temperatuur aan zonneactiviteit?   ( 105)
Ruben (Neeroeteren) -- 26-08-2006 19:05
Minimum activiteit   ( 60)
Eric (Boechout) -- 26-08-2006 19:30
Re : Minimum activiteit   ( 43)
Ruben (Neeroeteren) -- 26-08-2006 20:36
We hebben dan ook een barre winter gehad...   ( 43)
Remko (Usquert gem. Eemsmond) -- 26-08-2006 20:45
Die vraag is natuurlijk goed voor een kardinale discussie   ( 89)
Remko (Usquert gem. Eemsmond) -- 26-08-2006 19:26
Re : Die vraag is natuurlijk goed voor een kardinale discuss   ( 87)
Ben (Lelystad) ( 13m) -- 26-08-2006 20:17
Wow!   ( 66)
Remko (Usquert gem. Eemsmond) -- 26-08-2006 20:40
Re : Wow!   ( 50)
Ben (Lelystad) ( 13m) -- 26-08-2006 20:54
Re : Wow!   ( 35)
Remko (Usquert gem. Eemsmond) -- 26-08-2006 21:17
Re : Wow!   ( 34)
Ben (Lelystad) ( 13m) -- 26-08-2006 21:27
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Remko (Usquert gem. Eemsmond) -- 26-08-2006 23:21
Re : Wow!   ( 27)
Ben (Lelystad) ( 13m) -- 26-08-2006 23:25
Re : Wow!   ( 25)
Remko (Usquert gem. Eemsmond) -- 27-08-2006 00:14
  Bedankt voor de links  
Ruben (Neeroeteren) -- 26-08-2006 20:37
Re : Die vraag is natuurlijk goed voor een kardinale discussie   ( 47)
VdeV(Heerenveen) -- 26-08-2006 20:42
Dank voor dat punt over Mars.   ( 32)
Remko (Usquert gem. Eemsmond) -- 26-08-2006 20:46
Re : Dank voor dat punt over Mars.   ( 25)
VdeV(Heerenveen) -- 26-08-2006 21:06
Je kunt ze niet helemaal vergelijken,   ( 27)
Remko (Usquert gem. Eemsmond) -- 26-08-2006 21:22
Re : Je kunt ze niet helemaal vergelijken,   ( 34)
Ben (Lelystad) ( 13m) -- 26-08-2006 21:31
Bedankt, mooi artikel.   ( 31)
Remko (Usquert gem. Eemsmond) -- 26-08-2006 23:43